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Ten Reasons Why I Dislike Korea

There are plenty of reasons to like Korea, and there are plenty of reasons to love Korea, but it has to be said there is an equal number of reasons to dislike Korea.

I won’t call them the sunshine press today because I know that they are also prone to sharing the overcast afternoon news and the even more miserable dark November evening where it pisses down for what feels like a week news, but the Korean blogosphere has been up to its naughty tricks again. This time it has started to talk about reasons why Korea is worth loving, or liking…or tolerating…etc. That fellow Roboseyo whom I keep hearing about has the lowdown here.

Anyway, the point I will eventually get to here is that, as lovable and likable as Korea is, it’s also very dislikable. A couple of weeks ago I was going through an awful bout of negativity, and all of these things were really getting me down. I am much happier in myself now (cherry blossoms and long lunchbreaks sunning myself may have helped). Still, I’d like to add some balance to this little scales of positivity being eschewed on ye olde Kinterweb.

For starters, of all the lists I’ve read, they’re all right. There is nothing I disagree with in any of them. I would probably add a few things and move one or two things up or down, but yeah, there’s nothing wrong with them. These lists do present Korea as a great place, which it is, and as a resident of this country for almost six years I can honestly say I’ve enjoyed living here thanks to many of these reasons.

But there are also reasons I dislike living here. And negativity weights a lot more than positivity all to often. Maybe these are things which exist equally in other countries, but I can’t really compare them. This is just how I feel about here.

So here you go, the fulcrum in the scales (and in no particular order):

Ten Reasons Why I Dislike Korea

1. Inflation – Yeah, you wouldn’t think it’s important for many, but it’s a killer for me, or I should say us. It’s something I notice on a daily basis, and sure it might get better in a few years, for now it is out of control. Maybe this points the finger at some deeper political problems, but from my own personal perspective I wish I knew how much I’d have to pay on food before I went to the shops. Prices go up and down on a daily basis, and rarely because the quality is different.

2. Driving – For those lucky enough to live in Seoul, public transport is all you need. The taxis will mostly be affordable and the bus will drop you down practically anywhere. Outside of Seoul, a car is required becaue the public transport lacks the same efficiency. And then, when you get into your car….well I still count myself lucky every time I don’t die on the roads. I don’t want to go into it in too much detail, but there’s a lot of angry, careless, and, it has to be said, stupid people driving automobiles in Korea.

3. Cost of Living – For all those fortunate enough to have their shoebox paid for by their employer, cost of living isn’t a problem. For those of us who don’t, like the vast majority of the population, the housing prices here are astronomical, and I don’t even live in Seoul! I have a nice apartment now, but I pay for the luxury, because otherwise I’d be buried in a second floor cave with no sunlight and poor ventilation. And that’s just rental prices…living here isn’t cheap and I aint getting that way either.

4. Unhappiness – There’s all that talk of the UN happiness poll, or whatever it was, and Korea didn’t do very well at all. Life is not easy here, and you can feel how pissed off people are by the way they interact with other people. All those dirty looks you think you’re getting? Well you’re getting them, but don’t worry, they people who are giving them are giving them to everyone. This kind of anger permeates.

5. Supermarkets – Every time I go to the supermarket they tease me with brief flurries of providing stuff I like. Then it either disappears forever, or they replace it with some crappy domestic brand (this doesn’t happen too often mind you), so I have to trapse off to Itaewon or Costco, or even worse the ubiquitous foreign food store, and buy it for a ridiculous price. I’d prefer to not have it at all sometimes.

6. People everywhere – This is a bit harsh I know (I come from a country roughly the same size but with less than one tenth of the population), but sometimes I just wish that everyone didn’t have the same idea as me every time I want to go somewhere at the weekend. Maybe this is a testament to my cranky-old-man gene that I inherited from my old-man and his old-man before him, but sometimes the crowds just put me off doing stuff. There are some really fantastic places to see and things to do in Korea, but I just wish there was more so that less people would want to do the same thing as me.

7. Costco – Where would I be without Costco? Well, in a lot healthier a mental state. Fuck me. That place just drives me crazy. But I have a car and I like buying their bread, cheese, roasted chickens, and other luxurious items in bulk, so what can I do? Grin and bear it? God no. I shall grimace, give out, and hate it…but still go.

8. Lack of concern for other’s personal safety – I really wish that people would be a little more thoughtful. The way people drive, the way people work, the way people get into the lift … sometimes I feel for the construction guy armed with a orange stick who has to direct 80 kmph traffic on a rainy evening – surely his supervisor (or he) should have a bit more sense? People driving through red lights all the time (you want to see it around these parts, you’d swear the population is colour blind)…. The lack of appreciation for the well-being of one’s fellow man gets me down all to often.

9. Misinformation – The daily propaganda machines that print out how great Korea is are unnecessary. The newspapers, radio, television channels, all of them, regurgitate the same press release of wonderful news about why Korea is fantastic. Meanwhile Korea has some serious problems that aren’t addressed. Young people have given up on the mainstream media and rely on blogs for their news because they know they’re not getting the full picture. Surely this is wrong. And don’t get me wrong, I think that consulting social media for news is very important, but to have to rely on it over the mainstream because it is unreliable… Anyway, this is the tip of a very awkward and ugly issue that I could go into in greater detail but will avoid for fear of landing myself in a whole I can’t get out of.

10. K-Pop – I fucking hate it. Really. I. Fucking. Hate. That. Shite. It’s awful. And anyone who claims it has any positive tenancies needs their head examined. Don’t try and argue with me. You are automatically wrong because I said so.

Many of the things on this list are things that won’t change, and they will bother me forever. I imagine there are plenty of things on this list that many Korean people will shake their head in agreement with. There could be an equal amount of people (or more) who completely disagree with me.

But you know what is more important? As much as we shake our heads in disbelief, we continue to get on with the job the best we can. The struggle is a constant one, but it’s a constant one wherever you. No one ever said life was easy. So suck in your gut, put on some music you like (I suggest anything but K-Pop) and just breeze through it with as big a smile as you can muster.

And if it all gets too much for you, there is one thing you can do: leave.

By the way, all of the situations I’ve alluded to here, I’ve witnessed on more than one occasion. I don’t have physical proof, you’ll just have to take my word for it.

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112 thoughts on “Ten Reasons Why I Dislike Korea

  1. There’s a lot of anger hanging around this blog post. And seriously Number 10????????? K pop- haters will hate Conor. Surely skills like knowing the Roly Poly are essential for every party and guaranteed to get you out of any negative slump?????????

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    • Not as much as there might be if I wrote it while driving in Costco while having to hear K-pop!

      There’s not as much anger as you think. These are my observations. If I was angry I probably wouldn’t have written anything at all… Or something much more cynical in tone.

      As I said, all the positive things I read on other posts, including your’s, are there too. But, when I read posts about how wonderful all is here I often feel obliged to add balance, that’s all.

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  2. I agree with most of the list. The constant media stream of “How Korean culture is taking over the world ZOMG!” isn’t just annoying, it’s self-defeating. Having a vibrant, globally recognized culture comes with confidence and grace, not a perpetual hand-job from the press.

    That said, I don’t have a problem with food prices. If anything I’m usually pleasantly surprised at how cheap fresh fruits and vegetables are. But I also live in Daegu, which isn’t nearly as sexy as Seoul but tends to be much cheaper.

    “GO home and we’d all be better off”

    Like I said, my biggest peeve with Korea is the weird mix of ultra-nationalistic pride met with a sad, bizarre undertone of self-consciousness and outright defeatism. A country that can’t deal with honest criticism will never be as great as it can be.

    Also, suicide.

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    • I’m in Suwon. It’s not Seoul…but it kind of is…

      You know, on the price thing, the only things that I haven’t seen increase in price over the years is beer, soju, and peppero. Fruit and veg is up and down, and it’s not even seasonal anymore, and the only consistent pricing can be found in imported food.

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  3. I’m totally with you on #1 and #3. When I first came to Korea in 1995, the KRW/USD was 725/1. Salaries were only 1.2 million, but that worked out to over $18,000, which wasn’t bad in 1995. Coke, a Goo-Goo Cluster cone, and buses were 300 won.
    NOw in 2012, my university pays me 1.9 milion a month. Doesn’t provide housing (300,000 for rent, no key money). Coke is now 1000 won, Goo-Goo Cluster cone 1400, and bus 1200. Not to mention gasoline was about 100/liter back then, now edging up to 2100/liter.
    Koreans like to blame the IMF, but it’s 100% the Bank of Korea doing the same money printing scheme as the Federal Reserve Bank.
    Still, having said all this, I sure like Korea better than America. Two words: Income Tax.
    Hard to argue with #8, too. I chalk it up to complete lack of situational awareness. It’s not malicious disregard for others’ safety. It’s obliviousness to others.
    As for #9, I find that most misinformation comes from other expats who think they are experts about Korea because they’ve taught ESL here for 3 or 4 years. I was like that back in the 1990s. Then something struck me and I realized that despite observing the being known as “Korean” for nearly 20 years, I now know how little I know.

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  4. Fhaw! DO I loooove this guy! Have clocked up 9 years here and what I initially thought was just a bout of culture shock that somehow NEVER wore off….and I speak fluent Korean…

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  5. If I lived in Korea I would probably end up in prison for a mad killing rampage with the victims being K-Pop singers and their fans. That’s how much I hate K-Pop. I absolutely despise anyone and anything remotely connected with it. Its like they copied, distilled and combined the worst elements of J-Pop and American pop, and then turned the knob up to eleven. Music for idiots – end of story!

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    • Yeah, you can hate it, but I can’t say that it means that it’s BAD.
      Not everything’s bad cuz you HATE it, it would be a hurt for some of those fan of it.

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    • K pop is not a music. They are just trying to Korean teenagers get horny, it is their purpose. I, too, absolutely depise anyone and anything remotely, REMOTELY connected with it. They are annoying brats to me.

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    • You know I respect your opinion and I know fans and teenagers in Korea are crazy but u do understand that u r offending probably 99% of humans by saying music is for idiots right bitch?! Get the fuck out asshole

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  6. K-Pop is hard to like. It’s a trite, irrelevant, unimaginative, mediocre, unoriginal, throwback of a “genre”, if it can even be called that. Moving right along, I’m wondering when Korea is going to discover that the language they speak on this peninsula is not a world language and never will be.

    Over 100 years ago another peninsular country, Denmark, woke up and smelled the coffee: “Hey, they said, we’re just a small country speaking a language that no one outside our peninsula speaks or ever will speak–we’d better teach everybody English and print all of our packaging in English if we want to be an integral part of the world.” And so they did and so they are.
    You can go to Copenhagen and spend the day speaking to strangers on the street and never find anyone who cannot speak English!

    Were that only the case in Seoul! This is a monolingual culture, which is fine if you are an Australian, American, Canadian, New Zealander, Brit, or Irish because the rest of the world speaks your language. But NOT Korean, OK?
    Percentagewise I can find more people in Saigon, Manila, Cairo, or Bangkok that speak English than in Seoul. What is up with these people? And, yes, I am bilingual and I can get along in a few other languages, too. Korean is not a good language to be monolingual in unless you never want to have any dealings at all with the outside world.

    A few other things: how about some napkins and water on the table without having to ask for it? It would also be nice if the Koreans, who are so persnickity about germs on shoes migrating from the floor into their food supply would be just as persnickity about sneezing all over you on the bus.
    Also, let me inform you Koreans that the entire rest of the world thinks that staring at a stranger is rude. I know you all think it is polite to stare at people and that is part of your culture but, if the person is an obvious foreigner, please forego the staring routine. I now take out my cell phone and very blantantly photograph the face of anyone staring at me. Just let them say something! At 6’7″ and 288 pounds I will have my way. And, yes, I do say “No” to removing my cowboy boots before entering homes, restaurants or any other place that asks. If I can’t wear my boots inside then they don’t get my business–or my friendship.

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    • You expect Koreans to cater to your cultural needs as a foreigner yet can’t follow up with a task as simple as removing one’s shoes. Hows thay for respecting THEIR customs and culture? You come off as disrespectful and entitled as they come and THAT is the true reason that you’re so unhappy in Korea. You can’t even do something as simple as taking off your shoes.

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      • You arrogant, knee-jerk Korean! Stop pitying yourself for one second and think about how the REAL world revolves!

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    • Yeh well guess what that’s what Denmark did and Korea won’t do it.
      plus the korean education system is actually only concentrated on learning English so I believe that in mere 20 years, most koreans would be able to communicate with foreigners with no problem

      There is another reason why koreans have so much pride on this language. I, as a korean student who loves Korean language and ‘Hangul’ believe that our language is superior than other languages and that it should never be replaced to English.

      It’s a language the great King of the Chosun Dynasty made for the public who were mostly illiterate due to the difficulty of learning Chinese characters.

      Our ancestors put a huge effort trying to keep our inherent letters and languages during the times when Korea was instantly concqured by Japan.

      Did you know that Korean is much easier to learn to write and speak than English or any other languages? This is scientifically proven so look for it if you can’t believe me. I actually believe that there is enough possibility for korean to replace English if we have more time.

      Many other reasons I want to add but the time’s too late..

      +but I really want to apologize that koreans stared at you or acted kind of persnickity for silly reasons. I also think that this is another cultural problem koreans should fix right away!!!!!!!! By the way, in most Korean restaurants, water and napkins are ‘self’, and I don’t see what’s wrong about this because at some occasions, we don’t use napkins or drink water at all! So doing so might bring benefits to the restaurant and to less dissipation!!! I think the only solution for no napkin and cup of water prepared is for you to get used to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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      • Sorry to tell you this Korean person but Korean WILL NEVER REPLACE ENGLISH!!! English is spoken ALL over the world. Korean is a totally useless language outside of Korea. Go to England, America, Australia, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, Europe, Dubai etc everyone speaks English or some English. NOBODY speaks Korean there!!!!!!!

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      • Sweet Lord. That is Korean way of solving a problem. “Get used to it.” How constructve. Puh-lease, water and napkin in restaurant should be “default”, not something you bother to ask for to ajumma who is hardly kind or nice. And please use your exclamation marks moderately. It pains my eyes.

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    • Koreans think foreigner or waegookin is fun to watch. They stare at foreigners for their entertainment and pure curiosity. So I guess you can take your cell phone out and take a photo of the people who stare at you. I don’t know if that’s legal at all, but whatever. (Please don’t do that tho. I think it can cause problem.)

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  7. At this moment I would like to gtfo of here really really bad. Anybody know an underworld smuggling ring that can provide me with a 12 gauge shotgun so i can blow off the heads of some kpop singers and my communist boss for making everybody in his firm listen to his radio? And what the fxxk is this shxtty music about spring (bom) that some annoying a$$ adashi is singing. I swear thats the same voice from 10 other songs that sound exactly like this one. Adashi wants to maximize his profits while exerting as little energy as possible and is chopping up and rearranging the same song over and over again. And his media buddies are pumping up his image through mass promotions so that the smothered brainwashed populace will be lead to believe that this is awesome music. Then the adashi and friends can roll around in a pile of money in his gangnam penthouse suite with one hand holding soju bottles and the other feeling each other’s balls. And also this adashi is getting sexually aroused and cream-filling his undies from hearing his own falsetto voice that he can’t get enough of and uses in EVERY FXXKIN SONG LOL

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  8. I totally agree with you on everything !!!!!
    Especially on K-POP !!!! Right on !
    If I were that small guy of North Korea , I would have been more than happy to drop nuclear bomb on S.KOREA at any cost!!! Shit country singing shit called K POP!

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    • I agree that Koreans have a great pride on K-Pop..
      over exceeding maybe;;
      it’s true as well that in korea most places turn on K-pop music-_-;;
      and i also agree that K-pop stars are mostly popular only in Japan and other countries in Asia but not the whole world at all!!(except Psy-my opp)
      But I totally disagree with you on dropping a nuclear bomb on my country just because of K-pop.
      Am I the only one who thinks that you’re way too exaggerating with a part of the culture of a country? K-pop is pretty much an important part of Korean culture now and talking about it like that really makes me mad

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      • South Koreans are racist and rude. I have lived in many countries but South Korea is the worst country I have lived in. South Korea smells really bad. It stinks like shit. They have open sewers and they need to get some manholes. The food also tastes bad. Kimchi is disgusting and it tastes very bad. The toilets are disgusting and the toilet bins with all the used toilet paper are very unhygienic and dirty and it’s a breeding ground for germs. Koreans are so stupid because they always talk about how they hate germs but their toilet bins are FULL of germs!!!! Koreans are very rude and they will also spit at you which is disgusting. It’s not okay to spit at people Koreans!!!!!

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    • Tell them to nuke themselves while they’re at it. Sure k-pop sucks nuts, but then would you rather have NK-pop supercede it lol?? Why would you want the eradication of a nation from another nation 100 times worse??

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  9. Korean Ame — LMFAO. Keep writing. You’re a (diamond in the rough) talent.

    Colin — K-Pop isn’t so bad if the only thing you have to hear is PSI, once every two weeks, when he’s managed to finangle himself onto some US TV network. Otherwise, it seems to me, it’s about untouchable, nubile teen females who have signed their lives away to be able to ensure being able to take care of their aging parents some far off day. And attract attention? Sex (especially of the virginal variety — see geisha culture) sells. Nothing new under the sun. La plus ca change……

    Costco is probably the same in Prescott, Arizona as in your environs. Not my favorite place to shop (with its humongous portions, I have to think too much about how I am going to live my next week or so). I once bought a two-gallon jar of pepperocini there which sat on my kitchen counter for two years before I finally chucked it (remaining peppers were still ok, I think). I mean, how many pepperocini can one use if you’re not a Chicago-style hot-dog restaurant?). It’s all about wretched excess. Like the mountains of red, green, yellow and blue plastic crap under the Christmas tree that seems to interest the juvenile recipients for about five minutes.

    I should have been living in France in the late 19th century, shopping daily at the charcuterie, the boulangerie, wherever, but with anti-biotics.

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  10. ps

    My previous post contained a note to ‘Colin” (the name of my grandson) — not, as intended, to Conor, our blog’s moderator. I tried to get my son to name my grandson ‘Colim’ but his Italian-American mother wouldn’t tolerate such a strange American name (it wasn’t on the top ten list for 2003 baby names).

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    • Those who make claims like that are usually those who radiate entitlement, disrespect, and disregard. You are probably the type of person who expelled the most negative energy and thus get it all back, twice fold. Try smiling and being kind for once. People will respect you.

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    • I can’t understand why people like you have to react like this only depending on some of 50 000 000 people living in Korea
      I’m a Korean and i’ve got tons of foreigners as friends and we go along very well
      Really what’s the portion of the number of people you met in Korea out of 50 000 000 people?

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  11. I’m a korean and.. I agree with most of this writings, but I disagree with some others. First.. we don’t think that our language is cental of the world(but we do have pride about it’s authorized virtue by world letter olympic), and actually we think we’re wrong because we care too much english but not our language. They’re not good at conversation because schools mostly teach reading.

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      • Korea most definitely SHOULD be open to criticism but folks like you with blogs like this are a dime a dozen. It gets tiring when some fuck who thinks Korea has never been properly criticized before makes posts like this and think they’re some revolutionary. Those like yourself also seem to lose sight of the fact that Korea is not the only developed country in the world with significant problems. People disproportionately attack every aspect of Korea while leaving other nations unscathed. That’s the problem.

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      • This is a fine generalisation. Trust me, I know well that this blog is anything but revolutionary but please think about your comment a little harder next time.

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  12. Hey Fuckyou, I happen to be Korean american myself and honestly i can’t stand kpop. I believe that the freedom to express opinions and ideas is the key to positive change, not censorship, smothering and denial. Nobody is forcing you like a song just because it was written by someone of your heritage. So please open your ears just a little bit more and acknowledge that kpop is a piece of CRAP. You want good music in your country? Then the people better be able to discern what is good music and what is CRAP first, don’t you think? And this goes for other things besides music.
    P.S. Adashi singing about bom is not giving you any of his profits anyway, so stop kissing his ass.

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  13. I’m Japanese. I dislike that Korean don’t allow us Japanese like Japan. Really they say that Japanese should hesidate Japan. Please watch the spokesman speaking Endglish are on Japanese.
    http://propaganda-buster.blogspot.jp/
    Really Korea discriminate against Japan and Japanese. They believe they can deal with every Japanese as a slave even now.

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    • Just brush up your English…
      Did you use automatic translator? Don’t rely on that kind of thing.
      deal with→treat
      “Korean don’t allow us Japanese like Japan”→???

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  14. I think I can say something about Koreans too. I used to like them but now I really hate them. They are very boastful, rude, and they think they are the best. I hate seeing them everywhere but I can’t help it because I live with them…… uuuurrrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhh….. I don’t know how to express it but I think being with Koreans everyday feels like hell. I really hate them. How I wish for them to just go back to their country. .. aaahhhhhhhhhh…

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    • hi I’m a korean my self!
      I certainly agree with you that koreans are somewhat arrogant…
      but please understand that such things aren’t of deliberate means…
      I wish I could apologize instead of the koreans you’re living with if you felt bad..

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    • I feel exactly the same way. I used to like South Koreans but they treated me so badly and they were so racist to me that now I hate them so much. I also hate seeing them everyday and I live with them. I hate them and they are so hypocritical because South Koreans all go to other countries but then they complain there are too many foreigners in Korea and they don’t want anyone to come to their country- they are so two faced!!!!! If Koreans can go to other countries then other people can go to Korea

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  15. Hate begets hate, which is why you’re getting so much hate comments towards each other. I understand that this post was one person’s generalization about the country that he’s living in at the moment. There’s definitely a lot to love about Korea, but if you hate it and try to find the balance to not like it just as much then maybe it really is time to move on to another country. Just showing that you’ve been here that long to become so cynical about the life that you live (like a a cynic in a philosophy college class who will not drop the class because he wants to prove his thoughts right).
    I haven’t been in Korea too long, but I’ve definitely seen what this writer has written. However, the good outweigh the bad for me more so that I could say I enjoy living here.
    As for the Kpop – I’ve been a Kpop fan for a long while now 10+ yrs, and it’s not that they make crappy music. There are a lot of kpop artists out there that don’t get caught up in the mainstream or cross over seas that are pretty good. Also KPOP is not the only type of music in Korea, it’s just the ones reaching out to the world. So if you’re going to hate on kpop you should really hate the people who enjoy it out in whatever you’re country is who thinks that whatever they listen to is the best song ever even though they don’t understand a single word in it. with that said, kpop has gone down hill from where it was 10 years ago so it’s not totally wrong to be a hater of kpop. Call me a hippie or whatever, but music is worldwide and is vast enough to say you prefer one over the other.

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  16. Conor, your reasons like Inflation, driving, cost of living may sound like reasonable reasons you hate S. Korea. But, Just People Everywhere and Costco where would I be without you? First of all, why are you in Korea? So many white people have this self entitlement, makes them think Asian cultures should cater towards White people. Korean people’s personalities ( you hate this) are shaped by a complex long history of rejection, war crimes, psychological shame, family dynamics, and invasions from Superpower. And you start hating them because they don’t seemed to have “The western manner” based on your “observation” living there for a few years. And costco? You think I’ll be complaining why Ralph’s in Los Angeles, replaced my favorite Asian noodle items with Crappy Cheap American noodle brands? No, why? because I am in America. Get used to it Conor. When I went to school here, I learned that Honest criticisms are well constructed rational criticism. But to me this sounds like whining. How can you include Everyone in Korea in your HATE category and call this HONEST criticism? to me this sounds like Honest Racism. And KPOP? trust me no kpop fans give a damn about your opinions. As a Korean American, I hate kpop with all my might. But at least I don’t say, “Don’t try and argue with me. You are automatically wrong because I said so.” Who is arrogant here?
    But after all, It’s not Conor’s fault that he posted his Whine about Korea here. It’s Us Koreans who let them do this in the first place. We are so politically weak in the global stage that just about everyone thinks it’s easy to make fun and look down on Koreans. Basically, we’re just too easy.
    When I am in Korea seeing drunk foreigners beat the crap out of Korean old men and still get away with that, I don’t wanna punch those foreigners, I wanna beat the crap out of Koreans for being weak. It’s our fault for letting them do this to us in the first place.
    So, Conor, go back to your country. I think it’ll be better for your own well-being. Good luck.

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    • Hi HJ, I said dislike, not hate. The things I dislike I deal with. Yeah it’s a whine about Korea, but it’s a personal blog, not a front for Korea.net.

      I don’t think Asians should cater towards my needs. I’m Irish. Read your history books and you’ll my history stands on the other side of subjugation. I thnk Koreans should cater for their own needs, but if you think the spiralling costs of living and sexism in society are catering to everyone’s needs then you should stay in America, land of the free.

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  18. so baaaasicarry, i was trying to sign up for the SAT when i rearized, a bunch of kimchis (teri cho) signed up to take the sat in japan because they cheated in kimchi rand and got banned! #baaaasicarry #jenniekim
    #jenniferhiga #yj #clairejin #kimchi #japs #igotostmarys

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  19. HI Conor. I do respect your ideas and arguments, but I want to say a few things in reply.

    I’ve lived in Korea for 12 years, and other than the fact that you wake up couple of times due to super loud and obnoxious k pop music outside, it’s a nice country. You just have to get used to a lot of drunk old men and dirty streets. I know, America is a lot cleaner, and they have stricter rules, but Korea might be different. If you compared Singapore to America, you would see a lot of differences. Same for Korea.

    Yes, Korea a lot more expensive compared to ‘MURICA when it comes down to living(gas prices are crazy), but it was a developing country 50 years ago. Now it is one of the most prospering countries out there, and we should at least give respect to it. Gas prices are crazy because Korea imports them all the way from the Middle Eastern countries. It’s gonna be expensive.

    I went to Cosco in korea before. It sucked shit. I support your argument there.

    Also, driving is a little crazy in Korea – actually scratch that – it IS crazy in Korea, but think about this. There are 50 million people in Seoul alone. And Seoul is a really small city. Korea is not even as big as California, and in America, there are 330 million people with that much land. America is hundreds of times bigger than Korea. Imagine if it had the same ratio as people in Korea. Everything is cramped, and you would expect traffic. I would suggest moving out to the country side if you don’t like that. Country sides have generally nice and “calm” people and they don’t want to start beer fights with you.

    I moved out because I thought I would like America better, and to be honest, I do. But I still respect Korea.

    Just some general thoughts. Reply if you disagree. I like to exchange ideas.

    Thanks.

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  20. Koreans fucking suck. I lived in SK for 2 years, and having left, wouldn’t return even to visit. Fuck Korea, Koreans, Hangul, Hanbok, Kimchi, and Korean culture. Fuck idiot people in their 20s and 30s tee-heeing like little children, and fuck their racist, xenophobic ways. They steal technology and culture CONSTANTLY and try to claim they created it, they lead in plastic surgery, domestic violence, child sex tourism, suicide, dog eating, lying, and having a general lack of common sense in general. They are brain washed idiots who SWEAR they are the best people on this damn planet. No one gives a shit about Hangul, if its so great why are Koreans the only people speaking it? In college, people were learning Japanese, mandarin, german, French, Spanish even Russian and Arabic. Ive been to MANY countries, and never saw anyone or anything in Korean. Couple that with the fact that their “scientific language,” sounds like a bunch of ducks quacking and ending each sentence with “imnida” who the hell cares about learning that crap? Seems most people are learning English. Maybe if in typical arrogant annoying fucking Korean fashion, you made a simpler language, instead of a pointlessly ridiculous and annoying sounding one, more people would care to learn it. At home in NYC, Koreans open their stupid shops, and stay for YEARS never learning a word of English, but get pissed when you visit their dirty country and cant speak Korean over night. THey go to the Philippines in DROVES opening their stupid cell phone stores, learning English, and molesting little girls. People there HATE Koreans with a passion, and generally will run them out when given a chance. For all the time Koreans love to spend in the Philippines, they have VERY harsh immigration laws against the people from there. They had 2 stupid little girls get run over, probably because like most Koreans, they were walking in the street, and didn’t hear A TANK COMING…but seung hui cho blew away 32 people, you didn’t see americans saying kill all Koreans, and our celebrities having concerts like that fat Korean idiot Psy, saying kill our soldiers, wives, sons, daughters, death to all yankess. And the fat turd lives in America and has for 8 years. I also noticed the top 15% of Korean people tend to leave korea…most leave and do not return. The Koreans who get bent out of shape when confronted with the truth about korea, are typical brain washed idiots, who are probably the same people who think they invented EVERYTHING, and the world is just jelous and copies them. There are places in Europe and in Asia, where they have signs that say “NO KOREANS,” not making that up…search it on youtube. Top reasons: They are disgusting in their habits, and steal, They are rude and difficult to deal with, They are generally disrespectful and hurtful towards others. Fuck Koreans, and a special fuck you to all you Koreans who are still dumb enough to believe the lies, propaganda and bullshit in general you were programmed with growing up, which is like 99% of you. And fuck the chosun dynasty. Korean has been getting ass rammed by damn near every nation in the region for 5000 years…im not impressed. You wanna be great people? You have potential…how about joining us in 2013!!! You people just got anti descimination laws and an office for interracial couples…your close minded believe anything im told idiocy, has placed you FAR behind socially. Whooptie freaking doo, your economy is half decent (thanks to America), youre still basically just a 3rd world country of hermits who suddenly got some cash. Fuck Koreans.

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      • What I mean is that I agree completely with the poster who said they hate korea and their reasons why they hate korea because I live in Korea and I have experienced everything this person said about why they hate Korea. I hate South Korea too

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    • You really don’t have right to criticize the history of making Hangul and their cultures. The cultures are just cultures and the language is just their language to communicate with. I know the personality of Koreans are not that great but some people are nice and not everyone is negative about foreign people. Also as a Korean myself say some of Koreans can be an ahole. But don’t be like those people just because of your experience in Korea. I feel sorry that you only had bad experiences in Korea but don’t criticize the cultures and history of that country. I’m not just mentioning about Korea but I bet any of other countries don’t want to be criticized by other foreigners.

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    • You were more kind than I have been. I wrote pages and pages about how much I dislike Korea which will not leave my computer. I made a few good friends, but it wasn’t enough to convince me to suffer another hagwon. Most directors don’t speak English and the children assimilate wrong pronunciation and lose motivation quickly. Many parents don’t know anything either. They don’t have the time to sit with their children and learn with them so low quality hagwons essentially turn into day care. The teachers have no idea how language is learned and are surprisingly incompetent, making elementary errors and sometimes not being able to construct an entire spoken sentence correctly. Also, the cities are just so ugly in general, judging by the apartment buildings. Dull colours. No balconies. Even government subsidized housing in my town have them. I too will likely never return even to visit. I would rather pay my friend’s ticket (1500$+) and have them over at my house. I have never witnessed such isolation in such a rich country. Korea is a linguistic isolate so it hard to learn any other language, even Mandarin, which is probably easier for unilingual anglophones given the similarity in grammar. It’s the same thing in Lebanon: the rich/ educated leave and return for holiday. At least it’s a beautiful country with warm people despite the threat of bombardment every 10 years. There is a bit of arrogance but it’s at a decent level.

      The only things I will miss about Korea are my friends and smoking, drinking and eating at the same time. Everything else sucked.

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  21. He may be on to something though…Koreans don’t exactly have a glowing reputation for being great people in most countries, and wont even get started on the rampant prostitution in south korea…in some studies it says 1/20, others say 1/4…of ALL females from 12 to 80 have will or DO currently work in the sex industry in some capacity. I have personally seen a day care center and a brothel next door to each other. Disgusting Korean whores saying “me talk to you 1 minute?” while people are dropping their children off 10 feet away. The level of perversion is so disgusting that wives actually accept their men WILL visit hookers as a part of marriage. In fact its so out of control, major companies like LG, Samsung and so on, have policies which reward make employees for NOT visiting hookers and sex bars (Which is a common thing, in fact the computer company I worked for, had a manager who would regularly invite the male employees out “for a good time” which usually meant buying sex and alcohol. Koreans are absolutely disgusting people, and even many of the US soldiers stationed there hate Koreans. I have spoken to at least a few dozen who site racist, bigoted, ignorant, close-minded, self centered behavior, and that’s tip of the ice berg. ANYONE who is not Korean, and yet lived in South Korea for more than 1 year, will probably agree to a lot of what this person has said, even if he said it in a profoundly negative way. I too have seen, heard and experienced a great deal of it. I have also heard that due to the fact that Korean ethnic people who can speak Korean SPEAK KOREAN and understand the culture…they are held to all the socially destructive standards as the native Koreans, but because Koreans hate anyone or anything NOT born or made in Korea, Korean ethnics get treat like CRAAAAAAAP!!! Especially Koreans from china. I have first hand witnessed the teachings of a typical Korean upbringing, because my sister in law is Japanese, and when Introducing her to some of my co-workers and friends when she visited while I was there, a Korean co-worker had his 6 year old son with him, who began informing us of his hatred of “Japs,” and was quite clear on not liking anything about them. His father ushered him away from the group, but the message was clear. They have yellow journalism that is so scathing of anyone not Korean…I wont even get into it. Basically in their eyes, all foreign people are diseased, want their women, and will destroy their country if allowed to visit, yet statistically, there is slightly more than 0% crime attributable to expats in SK. In fact, most domestic crime there, is carried out by Korean men, and like the person above mentioned, this includes buying sex from children, and rape. In fact, at many schools in the city I was located in, all girls academies had armed guards at them, to keep Korean men from snatching little girls. Its a toxic country, hiding behind a façade of friendly, sociable and cultured indiscriminate people, but in fact, they are cruel, selfish, mean spirited, vengeful people. I lived there for 10 years and speak fluent Korean, and my son is currently engaged to a Japanese born Korean. I am pretty well knowledged about the real deal in SK. I have personally sat on trains and heard Koreans talk about me, then when I reveal I speak English…suddenly its their stop…I am just shy of 6 foot 5 inches, and a TKD instructor on weekends in addition to my regular job, so I have no issues with confronting rude obnoxious Koreans when they do this. In fact, one woman was telling her son while sitting next to me, something to the effect of, “he is a dog, because he is not like you, you are better and must always know you are better.” The boy said something about “English teacher is same looking,” to which she simply stated: “ALL.” I said to her just before my stop, (In Korean), “In America we are a culturally open place, and have our racial issues, but are light years ahead of the curve. I didn’t expect to see racism and intolerance in a country that always tries claiming to be the best.” To which she said in broken English while smiling and bowing slightly, “oh hello.” So, I know whats going on there for sure…The poster above lived there for as he said “2 years,” while I have seen people leave after 2 months, totally through with the place. I only stayed really for two reasons, 1. My son and daughter finishing school, and 2. My job paid very well (almost 100k annually). When I returned to the states, I did find there were certain things I miss, but Honestly? I would never DREAM of returning.

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  22. I currently live here, and I cant wait to leave. I have a 1 year contract teaching, and I wont say I hate the people here, but just that I wont miss them.

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  23. I would have to agree, that there are probably two or three reasons to (not) like Koreans, for every one reason there (is) to like them. I worked there a year ago, and haven’t been back. Some companies there have tossed some job offers at me, and I try to not laugh at the idea of going back.

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  24. As a soldier stationed here, I ask myself from time to time, “why are we here,” and “what the hell are we allied with these people for?” I won’t sit here and write a term paper about it, just to say in the 2 years I have been stationed here, I have grown a great deal of resent towards them. I have been stationed in Japan, I have been in the middle east, I have been in Latin countries, the Philippines, Cambodia, Thailand and many other places, including parts of Africa. I have never felt negative towards a country and its people until my placement here. I can also tell you that, there are a lot of people who in their own political correctness, do not want to say the truth about Korean, and instead, opt for adopting some false sense of adopted patriotism (for expats living here), and others get offended, while inwardly feeling in large part, each of the typically negative behaviors and trends, attributable to life in South Korea. I recently had a conversation at a gathering in Apujeong (a fairly trendy and nice part of Seoul), and in a room of around 30 or 35 people, the general consensus, was that most people, even those who claimed a positive experience, or an outlook not laced with negativity, they still agreed that there are mountains of issues with the people here. There was a bar that we visit near the base I am located at, and there was a Korean man there, who was intoxicated, and spoke clearly about the situation from his view. Basically this man said something to the effect of, “Korean xenophobia and racism, coupled with their superiority complex, is why they badmouth the US military. If the US army packed up and left tomorrow, SK would be stranded.” He was also adamant in informing us not to “waste time” learning Korean, because “no one need to speak it.” This is a Korean saying this. Bottom line: I don’t hate anyone, but I have never in all my travels disliked a group of people more.

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  25. And I will further address that the prostitution here is also depressing. I literally cant go anywhere, without a woman asking me to come with her, and in some instances, physically grabbing me and trying to pull me into a bar. Unfortunately, some soldiers do give into the urge to solicit a Korean hooker, and there are MANY….
    But I have zero interest in Korean women. They actually know certain military codes for “Safe Bars/Brothels” and cited codes to me in an effort to get me to go with them for “good long time.” It is also common knowledge that prostitution is so deep seated here, that in many cases police stations act as security for brothels, and in many cases get “services, and kickbacks.” a few of my MP buddies patrolling a particularly disgusting area called ITAEWON (look it up, its disgusting), saw a man shouting at the top of his lungs at a Madam (lady pimp) about how bad the sex was with one of her girls, and how he had no intention on paying. At this point they continued observing a police car pull up, and two Korean police speaking discreetly to the man, at which point the man was apologized to by the Madam, and the cops left. It was explained to me, that these cops may very well be the security for that brothel, the local chief may own it, or some other business tie. To avoid a public incident which would hinder the flow of cash, they simply apologize, and let the patrons go on their way, especially a foreigner. As a soldier stationed here, I have seen things that would make your skin crawl. We visited China town in Busan city (towards the southern coast), and its like a perverted wild west. Hearing about the clothes shopping with “American sizes,” we went to get some shoes and I actually wanted a suit. We walked past a place with lots of food stores and went down that alley, and at the end, decided to cut across a small Segway and back onto the main part of the area. While on this Segway, there was a girl who I am guessing was about 10 or 11 sitting on a chair in a window. IN A WINDOW!! Like a bargain item at a department store. There was a guy out front who invited us inside. I wont even describe this child’s outfit, and the man assured us, “she very popular.” Here is the kicker…Prostitution is supposedly illegal, and heavily combated…I am leaving soon, and counting the days. Corruption, that’s pretty much what I am taking away from my experience here. Heading back to Japan.

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  26. @Ben, I am also stationed in South Korea in the city of Deagu (Camp Walker). I haven’t really had anyone give me a solid answer to the question (why are we here?) and most guys, and gals here are kinda like “these people hate everyone and everything not Korean right? So why are we here?” Personally I have seen and experienced a lot of what you say, and its damned annoying to have Korean whores setting up shop near military bases, and being pestered when I am out making moves. I am married, and even if I were single…nonono…but the seedy underbelly is tip of the iceberg. They had a nationally broadcasted show, literally inciting Koreans to hate anyone not born here, and the UN has actually placed south korea under investigation for the unrelenting and brutal racism here.

    http://www.the-latest.com/korea-news-blackout-over-countrys-racism-charge

    They then block it out of the media to keep their country ignorant and brain washed. And a bunch of bleeding hearts want to jump up to defend them, “oh they were a hermit state,” “national pride” and all that blablabla. It is complete and utter bullshit. Imo, they aren’t much better than north Korean brothers in principle.

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  27. What gets me, is there is an astonishing amount of “self hatred” also, and envy towards Japan. But the self hated is hardcore! They are learning that the sun doesn’t shine out South Koreas ass despite this countries best efforts to hide that fact, and they are also learning a lot of the propaganda crap they are fed in pretty much every classroom here, has also been, well….crap. Their learning English has them in a position where they can see how truly awful they are viewed by a growing number of people. For you folks who wanna join the “defend SK” bandwagon, let me inform you, YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. These people hate ANYTHING not Korean, unless you have white skin, then they will hate you in secret, but tolerate you slightly more because of their obsession with being pasty and often ghostly white, through bleaching, plastic surgery and skin whitening creams. (Though naturally they are mostly brown) but will NEVER admit that, and do ANYTHING to be as white as possible. They have a layered social order, and unless you are Korean, Korea born and raised, I don’t care if you marry a Korean and have children with him/her…you will NEVER be a part of their culture, and NEVER assimilate. It’s not even that it’s impossible, it’s more that, Koreans simply have omitted this as even being an option. I had a guy during a temple visit in the mountians (a Korean guy) tell me, “If my daughter marries a non-Korean, “she is no longer my daughter, and no money from family.” Random…considering I don’t know him, and wasn’t talking to him in any way. I have half Korean friends, and even a soldier here who himself is Korean American, and they all go on about how, Koreans “don’t see them as equal, because we aren’t pure,” and how they sometimes get treated like crap socially, because they can walk talk and act Korean, are still considered a sub-species of Korean. I am about as white as they come, but my best friend is a wonderful “black” man, and I love the man like a brother, and adore his family. I invite them to ALL family functions, as they do me. Extended family and so on. Anyhow, his wife…is Korean…and in the rare event this happens, the Korean in a relationship like this becomes very truthful. She told my buddy about how racist and terrible her people can be, ESPECIALLY to brown skinned people. She almost cried when he mentioned their children going to school in korea to learn more about their mothers culture ( a noble suggestion), and she wouldn’t have any of that. She explained the situation on how HORRIBLE Korean kids can be, and how they will never stop tormenting their children. She said when the kids reach a certain age, better they go to school in the states, than endure Korean society as dark skinned Koreans with a black parent. They would even be physically harmed if the kids feel they can get away with it. Now think about how horrible this all sounds…they treat Americans like this, even when we adopt their anti-progressive culture, and language, and seem to not remember it was US fighting and dying along side them in the war…it was us backing their economy, and US who helped secure them so they could build this racist utopia. I have white friends, Latino, Australian, English, Japanese, Irish and Japanese friends who are also married to Korean men and women, and they ones who had children have already left. Never mind how Koreans view inter-cultural/racial relationships, these people refused to let Koreans have a shot at their children and moved. Lastly, my two close Korean American buddies are both half white, and told me how they were actually SPIT ON by Koreans as children. SPIT ON…SPIT ON!!! They recalled their mothers being called “whores, comfort women, and dogs” because they didn’t marry a Korean. In fact, my buddy John (Korean/White), got into so many fights over kids calling him names and trying to bully him, he began taking martial arts classes. He would fight so much before his parents sent him to the states it was shocking, all because they wouldn’t leave him alone. When his family finally relocated, during the school meeting to inform them of his departure, the Korean faculty were nice enough to tell his mother that him not being a pure Korean is the reason for the violence, and that the kids (who were taught to be racist, bigoted and intolerant since birth), were just being “normal,” and that she was over-reacting. So do not be fooled people, into letting your politically correct thinking lure you into some false safety net of defending their behaviors and actions, because there is NO EXCUSE for them. As for their driving…I wont even get into it…

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    • For your information, your assumption about how Koreans do so much plastic surgery is false. America is number one, japan is number 3, and korea is number 6. Look it up online. Jesus… So pathetic. Telling people to leave a propaganda when you go around assuming shit? Well grow up kid.

      And koreans aren’t all racists. It’s just they are not used to different races. They were a developing country only 50 years ago, and already all this hate! I see it as jealousy about how successful Korea is. Watch them grow and overpower japan economy wise. Then you’ll finally know.

      Keep your pathetic and stupid (and factually incorrect) views off the internet and pollute your own mind with it.

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  28. Well at least I got my communist boss to stop playing his music so loud. I started playing a game where I would put my headphones on whenever he turned his radio on, and he must have gotten the message because now he keeps it on a low volume to himself LOL
    BTW, I didn’t mean to self-hate on my heritage in case that’s what it looked like. Only reason I ranted about K-pop is because I love my peoplezz so much that I get mad when they are exposed to such excruciating punishment. Also, Burger Eater, you said that Koreans are learning the truth. So if that’s the case…isn’t that what you want?

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  29. Unfortunately John is wrong. Look it up, Koreans lead the developed world in plastic surgery. Your hostility kinda proved the previous point about idiots making excuses for these people. What’s even more hilarious, is you trying to shoot someone down who made MANY valid points, and who LIVES in SK. My brother is there now, and says most of the same stuff. You are probably another dumb wannabe politically correct shmuck, with yellow fever. You can high horse yourself all day, but what these people are saying is true. I even have Korean American neighbors who have said similar about THEIR OWN COUNTRY/PEOPLE. You might even be Korean yourself…wouldn’t surprise me based on first hand witness testimony from friends, neighbors and family. You call him a kid and tell him to “grow up,” when he mentioned being married, and so on. Clearly your quickness to become hostile has placed a label on you. But you are probably a Korean ethnic of some type. That’s usually what they do when criticized, especially when that commentary is negative. They point the finger and say “well America, blablabla, and Koreans are homogenous, and 50 years, and war” anything except “we are far from perfect, and have lots of shit to work on.” No matter who or WHAT you are, Koreans do live up to the bulk of these comments, and I have had KOREANS confirm it. So you might wanna stop trying to argue against people with factual evidence based on first hand account, because it makes you look stupid, arguing with a man who lived there for 10 years and speaks Korean. It makes you look really stupid…and kind of negates your efforts to be insulting. The forum is about not liking Koreans, so cry me a fucking river, go to a forum where your pro-Korean bullshit is the talk of the day. The dude was right, get over it…maybe you should grow up. And by the way, it was Koreans who warned my NOT to go there, when I explained I had the option of working in SK with my brother, spain, japan or Thailand. Koreans also warned me about racism, intolerance, and they themselves acknowledge their plastic surgery addiction. 12 year olds getting eye surgery, and nose jobs for high school graduation are commonplace there, so get your shit right before you jump in front of them and take a bullet for people who probably hate you TOO.

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    • I’m sorry but can you please close your legs? I can’t stand this putrid smell. Please.

      Also, you sound like a japanese person that hates on Korea because their awesome ally america bombed japan quite a while ago. Please stop with the hatrid. You lost the war. Get it over with.

      Don’t assume things. How do you know john was from Korea? You were trying to sound professional but instead you failed. I pity the fool.

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      • Pretty lame response, you must be a Korean. What an ignorant response. It offered nothing. All you did was try to negate the things he said by making incredibly childish insults. On that note, I have also lived in Korea, and this is very typical to Korean behavior, so YOU being Korean wouldn’t surprise me. You get insulted and try to turn the blame to Japan, or deflect with shots at America or Americans. This was probably the stupidest non argument I have read on this post so far. And retard could see, he said you are PROBABLY Korean, implying uncertainty. You are probably Korean yourself, because this reply REEKS of a Korean being butt hurt because someone didn’t like Korea. You should kill yourself.

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    • LOL, exactly. I have heard this reply from Koreans before. And I never said the guy WAS Korean, I used a qualifier of possibility. What an idiot. You can clearly tell a Korean by their response, even if he denies it. I am done here.

      @Herro…LOL

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    • 12 year olds getting ps is NOT common in South Korea. Not saying it’s never happened before but undoubtedly far from mainstream. You seem to be a lover of “actual facts” but this(amongst other claims) is just bs. Falsehood. Look, disparage Korea to your heart’s content but use only facts in doing so or you lose some serious credibility.

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  30. It is funny how people who in many cases never went to SK, never had any real interactions with people from SK (not Korean Americans), and then they become angry at people who have lived there, married Koreans, learned the language and so on, for having an opinion that isn’t sunshine and rainbows. As for the john guy, its funny, because the best thing he could “try” to shoot down is the plastic surgery thing, when anyone with 10 seconds can read all about Koreans going under the knife regularly. Then like a typical (Korean or Korean defender), becomes seemingly hostile, and spews hostility, because in truth, that’s really all that’s left. The war, homogenous, 50/60 years…yadda yadda. Heard it before…excuses. America just ended segregation 50 or 60 years ago…its called being progressive, and Koreans are not. So to the defenders on here, I get it. You mean well. You don’t wanna accept a group being considered bad. You don’t wanna believe what people are saying, even though there is clearly a pattern. You wanna get angry at people who say something negative, and shoot them down quickly so that the light of your positivity will shine, (makes me wonder why you are on this page…but whatever…free country and all that). The truth is, my wife is Korean, I have been living here for 17 years, I have 4 children with my Korean wife, (I am Canadian), and I also speak Korean. I can say the bulk of what I have read on this forum (the negatives) are absolutely true. You can argue me all day, but I have lived here almost 2 decades, have 4 kids, a wife, speak the language, work with and encounter Koreans daily. No I am not a kid, and I am pushing 50, so “growing up,” “maturing” and any of the other defensive counter arguments (futile though they may be), are pointless. Using hostility to try and defend a group of people in itself is childish. With all this said, my own wife, kids, Korean friends, Korean co-workers, my in-laws, even the wives and relatives of friends who married Koreans and live in SK…complain about the VERY SAME THINGS. Get a grip folks, this is what it is, and not liking it and getting pissy because someone didn’t describe South Korea as the cradle of all things positive in the universe, and saying negative things to them in some ridiculous effort to highlight your point, does not suddenly make their point any less valid. And if my situation give me no ethos, then NO AMOUNT of “evidence” will ever be enough. My own wife made it clear, she did NOT want our kids being school alongside Korean children, and they went to international schools as children, and we sent them to America for college, and my youngest plans on going to the Philippines at manila university. Bottom line: As a person who probably has spent more time here any anyone excluding Koreans, Koreans aren’t great people. They aren’t scum, but they are FAR, and I mean FAR from perfect, no matter how much they are trained to pretend to be. So if you have a problem with me, and that goes for any of you, you can kiss my god damn ass, because I know what I am talking about, I know what I have seen, I know what I have heard, I know what I have experience.

    Luke Wolfe

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    • With all due respect, America may have ended segregation within 50 years, but it sure as hell is still struggling with institutionalized racism. Surely you might know of that. Couple that with the +200 years of maltreatment(to put it lightly)of African-Americans and Natives that came beforehand.Suddenly, even Korea doesn’t look so bad. You say hostility to defend a group is pathetic but is so much hostility to disparage one so much better. I mean, defense or offense, we all usually end up doing the same things.

      I guess my biggest question to you is, “How do you tolerate life in such an intolerable country?” You sound highly dissatisfied if not outright disgusted in Korea and the Korean people. Which brings me to another question, naturally. Your children are all half Koreans and were raised in the country. How do they feel about your opinions regarding the nation which they owe half their blood? How does your Korean wife feel? But then again, she doesnt sound to be a particularly patriotic woman, and I understand you’ve only mentioned her briefly.

      I guess the sentiment I’d like to communicate to you the most is ultimately one of good will. I hope you continue to lead an enriching life whether it’s in the company of people you like or people that aren’t great but aren’t entirely scum.

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      • Thanks for your comment.

        Generally when posting a semi-rant like this I discuss much of what annoys me with my wife. I don’t look for her approval but we usually see eye to eye on many things, except for me going out drinking all night, but that’s going off topic.

        Korea is not without its problems and much like every other country in the world it’s negative facets stand out over its positive ones. If I lived elsewhere I’d probably go into a rant about them too. For all that is said here there are likely to be twice as many reasons why I like Korea. But it’s dislike, it’s not hatred. That level of dissatisfaction is reserved for some of the comment makers above, I believe. This post was made in context to a flurry of isn’t Korea great blog posts (linked above) which frustrated me at the time, but I stand by what I said. And while I am talking about what I said, at no point did I mention racism in Korea.

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  31. As a Korean born and raised in Seoul, and I studied at NYU for 2 years also, I think a lot of the criticism is fair. I don’t agree with all of it, and I do think some of it is highly negative, but having lived and studied in other countries, and returned, like anyone who has traveled, I had the chance to view my South Korea with “new eyes.” As a person who until 16 never experienced anything other than Korean culture, it would have been difficult to accept any assessment especially a negative one, and it would be very difficult to understand a foreigners frustrations at my country and its people. I do now see many of the negatives, and apologize to anyone with a negative experience on behalf of my people, because as stated we aren’t taught to be apologetic in our nationalism, and therefore aren’t apologetic about it. But again, having traveled I can see this is not exactly a great trait to be demonstrated to the world. A few posters have said Koreans cant handle criticism of Korean, and this is a true statement for the most part. Again, (not to cite and exhausted excuse), but the fact is, South Korea has only recently opened herself to the world in the past 30 years, and even today, there are places where people have never seen a non Korean face. Not saying this makes racism ok, not saying it makes negative treatment ok, (just saying…). I wont come on here and deny some of the negative comments, because when I returned, I honestly was eager to leave, and I love my country and her people, but still, there were things that I had to take a long hard look at, and realize, this is not what I was taught. I was taught in school, that Western people could not sit “Indian style” legs crossed on the floor. Having seen other countries, something many Koreans do not experience, I realized how utterly ignorant this was, and I had teachers in school convey this lesson to me!! Give South Korea time folks. Admittedly, even I get annoyed nowadays by things when I am there, because I have broken the typical beehive mindset of the average Korean guy, and I can see flaws, but still, a long way has been traversed in a short time, and we are still working on it. If you do have a negative experience, I only ask: Try not to be angry at (all) the people, because like with any culture, there are good and bad people. Instead, realize that being a closed country for so long, creates a more difficult bridge to other cultures. Its like if you are suddenly handed a plate of sheep’s brain. You will be mortified, uncertain, curious, offended so many things. But some people may be offended by your reaction, because to them to eat this is normal. Korea has not been open long, so her reactions to suddenly being thrown into the mix is offending some of you, (not an excuse, just my analysis), and it is actually understandable. So I won’t make excuses, I wont toss insults, I wont even argue anyone on here. I will only say, give us some time, the people of South Korea are working hard to learn more languages, and cultures, to blend in more. I myself as a Korean was taught to never marry or date a non Korean, but MANY Korean men are dating non Koreans, and in fact, two of my friends in Seoul are married to black women. This would be social suicide just 10 years ago. I myself am engaged to a lovely Hispanic girl, raised in Europe. So in the future, I project a better Korea, a more Flexible, and understanding Korea, and I hope the world will be patient with her, and let her adjust.

    Mr. Park (Bak)

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  32. Would someone kindly explain to me, who has traveled and lived in a couple of dozen countries in my lifetime, why South Korea smells so bad? I mean to say! Every block has a different foul odor. Sometimes the stinks are identifiable: burning plastic, rotten garbage,cat piss, vomit, glue,
    methane, gasoline, burning hair, rubber. I bought a cantaloupe the other day and could not get it down because it just reeked of the smell of rubber. What gives, man? Why is this place so wretchedly stinky? Every elevator, every alley, every street, even the bus smells like shit. No kidding, South Korea makes Tijuana seem like a petunia farm. Never have I endured such powerful reeks.

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  33. I feel guilty for my former rude and ungracious remarks about Korea, which has been very good to me. Although what I said may have, in fact, been true, my interpretation of some of the things was skewed. I have certainly been at the receiving end of endless kindnesses from Koreans. I am married to a Korean, so you know I must love them. I just have cultural clashes come up now and then that I find irritating.

    But this country is very civilized and, I daresay, more so than any western nation I can think of. Where else can you go for a walk in the largest city of the country at midnight safely? I see examples of a very strong honesty ethic in this society on a daily basis. For example, expensive flashlights and fire extinguishers, are in evidence in all buildings. Things like that wouldn’t last a day in Chicago without being “boosted”. You can leave your bag on the table at Starbucks and go to the bathroom and it will always be there when you return. I left an expensive camera on a bus bench by mistake for about ten minutes and came back to find that none of the many passers-by had taken it. This is unheard of honesty where I come from and I greatly appreciate it.

    I forgive Korea for smelling bad and realize that there is so very much more to life than that. And I thank every single one of you lovely Korean people who have helped me in subways,on the street, in stores, on campus, in my church, around my neighborhood and elsewhere. God bless you and God bless Korea.

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    • You know you’re not wrong with regards either argument. Half the battle with accepting Korea’s many failings is owning up to the fact that its issues will not tear us apart, but only make us stronger (and if that means our tolerance for bad smells so be it).

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    • Well, their is not very much more to life if you cannot enjoy it because of the unavoidable putrid stink. No need to forgive them, they must be punished hard for their disgusting smelly way of life and the contamination they cause unto not just themselves but the whole world over.
      Also, everytime rain and typhoon has provided at least a little smidgin of a relief from the terrible air here, some adashi sees this as a cue to start burning his trash in his own backyard and foul up the air all over again. I am inclined to believe that factories and cars contribute to half the smog, while the other half is attributable to the adashis cooking dog meat over their burning garbage heap.

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  34. I do believe that, while we cannot see it, Conor is blocking out a flood of spam posts (for maintaining sanity in this thread) from freaky Chauvinistic Koreans throwing a monkey tantrum because of some negative comments on their own country. Check other threads in other sites where posts don’t have to wait moderation. Negative opinions of Korea are always followed up by a storm of angry reply posts from flaming, spamming offended korean Chauvinists who type in all caps, claim that bibimbap is the healthiest food in the world, and accuse all nay-sayers of being Japanese. You can observe this phenomena in youtube as well whenever someone posts a video depicting the truth about korea. It’s really sad that their proclivity to deny the truth only works against themselves by making them repeat the same mistakes over and over again!

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  35. YOU AMERICAN CHAUVINIST. rOGER ROYALL IF YOY DO NOT LIKE KOREA SMELL GO BACK TO YOYR FUCKI aMEIRICA. KOREA SMELL GOOOOD. JUST SEE. GO AN SUPERMARKET LOOKING FOR STARBUKKES. WALKING PARK MAYBE DOG POOING ON SUBWAY. SO WHAT!! NEW YOURK HAPPENING TO. VOMIT AND THEY ARE GOING SHIT POO. SO WHAT? LOOK AT TOILET. IT HAPPENING. KOREA LEADER OF WORLD AND MAKE SMELL BEING BUSY.

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    • Well, Mr. Kim, I seem to have hit a raw nerve and I do commiserate with you up to a point. Yes, I might just go along with you up to the “vomit and they are going shit poo” part. I also take issue with the cavalier “So what?” attached to that comment.
      Yes, New York is a happening place all right and I hope you can visit it sometime and enjoy the fine restaurants there.
      And, if it makes you feel any better, there are many great smelling venues in Korea. Some of my favorites are the herbologist shops. They do smell wonderful. But please, get a hold of yourself and let’s not have any more “dog pooing on subway”. eh? And I did look at my toilet–so what?

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      • Well, Koreans are not bad at all. They are just normal human beings. All human beings have different strengths and weaknesses. Koreans are just like them. And so are we. Every country and race has good people and bad people, good habits (according to who is doing the judging) and bad habits (ditto). It takes most Westerns a while to get used to the smell of Kimchi. It takes most Koreans just as long to get used to the “dirty underpants” reek of Danish Blue Cheese (yes, I am Scandinavian so I can write disparagingly about Blue Cheese). So calm down, Mr, Kim and peace
        be with you.

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      • please you are absolute wrong about k-pop because when we compare the korean music and american music you’ll find that the korean is more high and cute,not grossier like the american songs and their music video, i really hate some singers of america cuz they are very bad and vulgaire and most of them are nude,so what they want to show for us???you must talk about this singers not about the korean one, and about another problems, all of lands in the world have some problems we can’t find an absolute land

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  36. Ya K-POP sucks big time. In fact all Korean entertainment is so boring! And the misinformation about Korea’s greatness is ridiculous. Seriously, no know knows about Korea in most other parts of the world! The crowds are really irritating too, especially in Seoul.

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  37. Yes I totally agree with you about K pop. Ugh. It is not a music. (And they are not even attractive, from female’s perspective. I don’t find any of the boybands very attractive, much less *swoony*. But then again, I don’t find Justin Bieber very attractive, too, so maybe it’s the characteristics of boybands that doesn’t make me swoon.)

    Also, spitting on the street is not OKAY. I got hit by strangers’ saliva so many times. I am wearing my favoirte sandals and then gross spit suddenly lands on my feet.

    Last but not least, please stop that god awful plastic surgery ads on subway and buses. It is gross and grotesque.

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  38. If you dislike Korea, you should not be living in Korea. That is as simple as that. Of course, that is unless you really also hate where you moved from to Korea too, and that would mean you need to find a place you like or can at least put up with.

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  39. I’m blown away at the immature aggression of these comments. Talking about how people of a certain nationality are deserving of death and “nuking”? Fucking childish. Sorry you don’t like their K-pop music. It’s Pop music. Pop music is supposed to attract the youth and sell, sell, sell – not meet your artistic needs. If you truly don’t like Korea and are living there? I suggest maybe relocating. If you have problems with Korea but have no experience in the country or with people of that country? Refrain from making input.

    I have been learning foreign languages since I was in middle school, and somewhere along the way, Korea caught my eye as both an unusual and interesting country. If it’s not your cup of tea, whatever, you do you, but there are lots of beautiful things about Korea that shouldn’t be taken out of the equation. It’s unjust to totally shit on a country because you dislike petty qualities, like the pop culture or some of their dishes. I normally just read blog posts like these for the sake of passing time, but never have I felt so urged to write a comment myself.

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  40. I read this post before and after rereading it those 10 points are also the same points why local Koreans also don’t like about Korea.

    Inflation is getting out of hands in Korea. An apple is about $1.50. The so called “special region” apples can go up to $3, $4 an apple. Hanwoo – Korean Beef, is a marketing scam to jack the price up. The jacked prices do not go to the farmers but to the middlemen who are corporates owned by Samsung, LG. “Koreans should be eating Korean food therefore Korean produce is better” is the main idea for such marketing schemes. Considering Korean’s superiority complex such marketing scheme fit really well with the nation. Its actually quite brilliant.

    K-pop is softcore porn. Simple as that.

    Unhappiness is another issue. I moved back to Korea in 2010 (and now dealing with that mistake, biggest fucking mistake of my life) and was shocked by the expression people have. I started to observe people and saw so many depressed expressions. Especially the kids. They all have this hopeless, mindless expression.

    A couple of weeks ago I got to learn a bit more about the Korean history and found a shocking fact. I never really looked into the Korean history because it I never really crossed my mind and I’ve always thought Korea was physically conquered by Japan after endless wars with each other. But the truth is the last Korean king signed a few papers and sold the nation to Japan (I know it’s not as simple but that’s pretty much what happened) and ultimately Koreans know this. Deep down Koreans know it was “their” fault. That their God like king failed them and I think this is why Koreans hate Japan so much. Otherwise the stupidity would be unbearable. It’s easier to blame Japan (which most Asian countries already do) then to blame themselves. But it pisses me off when Koreans behave as if they are the only country that’s been “invaded” by another nation.

    Then there’s the spitting. Man I have never seen an entire fucking nation spit so much. It’s as if people are pissing through their mouths. If you go for a smoke with local Koreans, a spit pond will form. Then you can throw away your cigarette butts in it and see it sail away.

    This comment is becoming a thesis and wasn’t sure where I was going with it but thanks for the post and opportunity to rant.

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  41. I’m sorry to talk like this but first I try to explain myself, I started reading this and bearing each thing that is written telling myself “u don’t even fucking live in Korea you just watch shows this person is in Korea and is experiencing these things everyday.” But then I saw “I hate Kpop and whoever likes it needs their head to be examined” which basically fucked my nerve… Idk what the fuck you heard and thought Kpop is just that or where the fuck you are from. I could respect your opinion but really bitch?! My head be examined cause you are a fucking old age person that just learned how to make a page about another a country, it’s culture and it’s music taste BITCH?!!
    Like nigga who the fuck are you to write this kind of bullshit?!!! If you don’t like it just fucking write you don’t like it you not fucking the king to say it’s shit cause you say so asshole. FUCK OFF.

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    • i suggest you to don’t sum up your American or European culture with all of the world or expect the whole world to talk English just cause many people talk it in that case you should have been talking Cantonese and Chinese. I’m not from Korea and I don’t live in Korea so I don’t know what it’s like to live there but Asia won’t give up its culture just because the world is being ruled by a bunch of fucking white stupid people who just know how to use and trick people or look down on them and expect them to follow and do whatever they are doing when they are the stupid ones. My point is please shut the FUCK UP when you don’t know about cultures and traditions of other people when you expect them to know about your culture asshole

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    • Using words like the N word and bitch really deflates and distracts from your argument. You make some good points but this language will take from this.

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  42. I am from a country in Middle East called Iran which has the most population in Middle East and carries the name of Middle East but it’s called Arab just cause most countries in Middle East are Muslim and speak Arabic.
    I speak Persian or Farsi , my language is only being spoken by three more countries which have a poor population, and we learn English and Arabic in our high schools because English is the popular one and Arabic is for our religion. But we don’t give up our language and start talking Arabic because all our neighbours are Arabs or start talking English because it’s the most spoken one. I think it’s because you white people dont know the meaning of tradition or culture value because let’s be honest like how fucking much it has been since American continent is discovered and is taking its ass off trying to make history so to be able to fill a history book to teach in schools compared to Asia which was the start of human man kind huh ?!! Just because you are in power doesn’t mean we will kneel down to you ok? And a countries music is part of its culture I fucking hate jazz and American pop but I keep my opinion to my self unless I’m asked sure this is a comment box and u r saying u r opinion but we don’t need to be ordered by you that the music we listen to is shit asshole okay? Music is universal and Kpop is a type of music which is sadly for you all taking over pop even tho it’s got nothing to do with my countries music yet I can feel happiness cause I could look at it as a revenge of all the fucking things u and u r kinds and u fucked up government is doing to the WORLD and TO COUNTRIES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE AT A LOWER LEVEL THAN THEM bitches .

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